The techno-rivalry that will decide the next century | Dan Wang and Kmele Foster
The Techno-Rivalry That Will Decide the Next Century: A Synopsis
In this compelling discussion between Dan Wang and Kmele Foster, the future of global innovation is scrutinized through the lens of the U.S.-China relationship. The pair explores how China’s rapid development—literally building an America’s worth of highways in staggeringly short timeframes—creates contrasting dynamics with America’s slower, more bureaucratic approach.
Wang highlights how in China, a new vehicle model can reach the market in just 18 months, compared to six years for American automakers. He emphasizes that while China excels in physical engineering and rapid innovation, it faces significant challenges, including a lack of civil liberties that may stifle truly groundbreaking ideas.
The discussion digs deep into how America’s elite, comprised mostly of lawyers, contrasts sharply with China’s engineering-driven leadership. This disparity raises questions about the future: Can the U.S. harness its entrepreneurial spirit to regain manufacturing prowess? Will China’s engineering state continue to thrive, or will its authoritarian tendencies inhibit genuine progress?
Ultimately, Wang and Foster offer a stark but nuanced view of progress, innovation, and the implications of this global rivalry—inviting audiences to ponder the larger stakes for the 21st century and beyond.
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“China has built essentially one New York City plus a Boston’s worth of housing every single year for roughly the last 30 years.”
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What does it mean to witness a society transform at breakneck speed? Kmele Foster and Dan Wang explore the contrasts between the U.S. and China.
Through the lens of immigration, culture, and personal experience, they reveal how policies and national ambition have redefined these two global superpowers.
0:00 China’s rapid progress
7:17 China’s first-tier city wealth boom
11:02 The contrast between China and the U.S.
12:50 American elites as lawyers
17:33 Chinese innovation and competition
21:00 “Made in China”
22:37 American manufacturing challenges
24:56 Autocratic societies and innovation
28:06 One of China’s biggest challenges
31:22 U.S. Tariffs and the trade war
38:06 Law students and the federal government
43:28 The benefit of a lawyerly society
51:37 U.S. and China’s futures
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Chapters:
0:00 – China's rapid infrastructure and manufacturing growth
2:21 – Dan Wang's personal backstory and immigration
5:09 – Parents' trade-offs leaving China during economic boom
8:07 – Transformative change in Chinese cities and optimism
11:42 – Engineering state vs lawyerly society
16:41 – Is Chinese innovation genuine or catch-up?
20:13 – Rise of Chinese EVs and smartphones globally
23:42 – Decline of US manufacturing and defense base
28:04 – Downsides of the engineering state and social engineering
31:19 – Assessing the Trump administration and tariffs
37:17 – Need for engineers in US government
39:50 – Contrasting housing crises: US scarcity vs Chinese overbuild
42:35 – High-speed rail failures in California vs China
46:03 – Symbolic decline in American infrastructure
50:51 – Practical lessons and shared sense of future
54:37 – Risks of American populism and manufacturing loss
I think shareholder value is the most important thing and we should raise it as much as possible!!!!!! Keep raising shareholder value its soooooo gooood america is soooooo good at that
Oligarchy, corruption, exploitation, foreign power control.
China on the other hand is focused to make it's citizens lives better, no outside influences, focus on it's people to make them better, through education, healthcare, lifting millions out of poverty and having big infrastructure projects.
A powerful China and a declining America is better for the world.
America the pathetic slob, lord of all the world.
"6, 7" 17:53
It's kind of dumb comparison to me.
The world is not just the US and China.
0:23 Everything built in china is failing. the BandR is having members leave left and right.
pretty sure some of the tofu dreg is already falling apart and literally a skyscraper in i think singapore a few months back killed scores.
China is all bluster.
Gutter oil. Rampant corruption.
Displacing military veterans from housing.
This video is a propaganda piece.
America is equally bad just different ways.
24:34 why are you seeing things going sideways as well in china?
Because they do.
Growth of production has it's limits.
If force it then you will pile up a lot of debt and inventory.
They do funnel it into the military but it's just generate a pile of junk because civilian tech is not directly applicable.
The whole fighting spirit and conflicts is about to have justification to do that.
I think it's fascinating to see an Eastern nation like China develop into a rival power. The country isn't perfect but they can improve over time and it's version of Capitalism doesn't put profit over people. We'll see if China's ideals of improvement remain consistent across leaders. I enjoy watching this play out.
by the way, anybody who buys Apple products is a traitor to America.
CBS – Canadian Bloviating Shill = guest speaker
These 2 powers go apart due to ideological difference, US moves towards populism,isolationism , WASP specially under 2 terms of DJT
China on the other hand, promotes its own Socialism,
only if the quality would be better.. so I still don't trust the chinese products
I like the part where they leave out that china citizens still do not have a right to speak out against the government. Coupled with intense censorship, Chinese citizens are less likely to be influenced by outside opinion and propaganda. Unlike the USA where bad actors are actively manipulating the society through overwhelming bad press. Lets be real. If the chinese had a platform to voice their frustrations, and they had a free market of ideas and opinions, they'd be in a far different state.
Also fuck big think for the two different titles to see which gets the most clicks.
lol…so much BS on China's side. Your country is toast…it is falling apart now.
Xi says let me eat NOTHING soon.
The next 20 years will be far more interesting than the last.
Funny he thinks elon couldve done an actual good job but because he went after headcount rather than transfer payments or defense?? As if the premise of doge was a good idea… So this guy thinks the good job elon shouldve done is cut s.s benefits and medicaid. Silly perspective this guy
My question will always go to quality… who cares how much you can build so fast if its lifespan is so much shorter (buildings, highways, cars)..
Well, they have their man in the White House now…
China grew by using controlled Capitalism to generate insane amounts of money just as the US does. That’s how they got launched out of poverty.
I hear from folks that the Chinese cities are not made for long term duration.
China can't innovate. Name anything that China had created recently that help to build a better society! Everything they have in terms of advanced technology was stollen from the west. The big boom China experience is part of a plan that makes the world think that all Chinese cities are highly technological. When in fact that's not the truth. They show what they want to show, the big truth is that a lot of ppl live under slave labor and packed in residential areas that offer little to no infrastructure.
We need sociologists to temper the engineers and lawyers worst impulses and economists to make sure the sociologists don’t spend money that doesnt exist
The United States started Planned Obsolescence in automobiles in the 1950s.
Economists have yet to provide the annual depreciation data. Even techno-illiterates like PhD economists should have figured out Planned Obsolescence in automobiles by 1980, a Decade after Apollo 11.
How much badly manufactured junk does China export?
This is CCP propaganda garbage
I think China’s archetypical example of achieving greatness and uniqueness demonstrates Great Wall of China. It should have protected China from north barbarians but became the example of China’s engineering genius, hard work of the people and strategic blindness of the power.
After China is done building "everything" (ie: all the highways and bridges are built) and their population starts to decline… What does china do then?